That's the faultiest "lol u loes i win" logic I've ever heard. If you didn't intialy understand my argument, that's on you, MAAAN.

You didn't even try to argue my points or anything! Typically that means that YOU loose. loosen. Lose. Whatevs. All we were arguing about was your one-dimensional view of corporations which, really, doesn't make for a very fun argument in the first place.

I concede. You win. Good day, sir.


It'd probably take a bit longer than that to get some decent manufacturing capabilities and recyclable food systems going. I'm thinking our first colony ship can't really afford to be huge. There's propulsion energy to consider so, with all of the stuff needed to set-up a permanent city-settlement (assuming we can breathe the air), we'd probably be able to fit about 500 people in between the mass of the fuel and the colony parts.

With that kind of population, I'd shoot more towards fifty to sixty years before the they begin to outgrow democracy and move more towards an oligarchy, where those who prove themselves the best in the early years (either by brains or guts or loudness or some combination thereof) become the trusted leaders of the settlement.

if it is a gen. ship IE slower than light. We would use nuke engines or even ion engines. Ion engines don't require that you carry fuel. Also once your up to speed you don't need propulsion until it is time to break.

The ship would either need to land whole or have sections land. Meaning you would already have your starting food sources in place.

A gen. ship would probable start with 100 people but need to be big enough for a couple of thousand. Depending on how many gens. it takes to get there.

Leadership would probable already be established or the captian and ship crew would be the starting leadership.

Yeah, but a captain is mostly only good for the command of his ship. Sure, he may have picked up a useful tip or two from elsewhere, but for the most part he probably won't know a whole lot about that colonization business (vis a vis the captain in Wall-E) and will turn that part over to the people who know what they're doing. Or maybe he'd not want to lose his position of leadership and hold everyone hostage somehow.

And while I really like the idea of a generation ship, I was thinking of a ship that could hit the low-to-mid 90% scale of relativistic speed. Something that'd get 'em there in a decade rather than a century. Of course that would require some cold fusion action, maybe even some matter-anti-matter action, but this is disregarding current resources and everything.

Still, good thinking on the ion drive... we COULD combine propulsions systems.

then we whould have a form of FTL drive by then



well speking of Ion drives NASA was going to make a Space shuttle the ran on Nuke power to run the Ion drive that they put on a probe last but bigger for the upcomming mars mission but it got cannsaled because of the Middle East war got to expensive and is going to resume in 2010 and then mars in 2020

Before you start putting FTL into your future plans:
There is no FTL today.
There is no indication that FTL is possible.

this is on another site so.


http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=132777

ok then what are thous shiny metal objects that look like calender or sphere or disk shaped things that do not look like an F-16 out in our atmosphere. what do you call those human made?

what does you using aluminum cake pans as frisbees have to do with faster than light travel

possibly

Two points:

1. Ion drives are always going to be slow as that funny looking kid that sits at the end of your lunch table.

2. FTL travel is not possible. All theories (folding space, quantum shells, warp coils, phase space, etc.) fail to address the relativistic issues of sending any information (read: matter and energy) faster than light. Even if your ship doesn't reach infinite mass, just by being someplace your not supposed to be will cause all sorts of funny issues. (For instance, how by some points of view, you arrive at your destination before you left.)

It is impossible to solve the paradoxes created by FTL travel, and they effect the entire universe. You would literally have to create a physics altering device to supplement your warp drive.

You people say the darndest things.

-Dr. B

Pls show me your noble prize in Quantum Physics to correct me, otherwise you're just bashing the idea.

It's always impossible unless somebody makes it a reality. FTL is possible you said it yourself you just need "to solve the paradoxes created by FTL travel" and maybe its out primitive mind that isn't capable of solving it.

How old are you? (Don't answer if you do not want to.)

We were arguing whether putting corporations in charge (that means, there is no "goverment") of colonies with several millions people was a good idea, and how a corporation works in its purest form. I won't argue how corporations behave in RL right now. That is beside the point.



Dr. B, "Impossible" is such an unscientific word.

I do believe Ion Drives to be an effective "energy source" for space travel. Sadly I am sure none of us all will ever even see a working prototype in our lifetime. Same does for FTL.

accaly NASA plased a Ion Drive on a space probe

And it more than did it's job the probe was able to visit three different asteroids.

I stand corrected. Though I was thinking more in terms for manned crafts. Still its very interesting.